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Jase & Lisa Harper Open Up About the Adoption Heartbreak No One Talks About

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55 min·December 19, 2025

About this Episode

Jase, Al, and Zach are joined by bestselling author and podcaster Lisa Harper for one of the most emotionally honest conversations ever about lifelong shame, feelings of inadequacy, and adoption highs and lows. Lisa opens up about the heartbreak and long waiting that marked her adoption journey and the exhausting habit of performing spiritually instead of resting in God’s presence. Tears flow as Zach and Jase share their own adoption experiences and rejoice in the reflection of God’s nature through it all. 


In this episode: Luke 13, verses 10–17; John 4, verses 1–42; James 1, verse 17; James 1, verse 27; Ephesians 5, verses 22–33; Malachi 2, verses 13–16; John 17, verses 1–26


Chapters:

00:00-07:34 Lisa Harper could have been a comedian

07:35-14:40 How Lisa found Jesus & her ministry 14:41-22:28 Trusting God at your lowest point in life 22:29-28:53 God values presence over performance

28:54-40:40 The Bible as a love letter to us

40:41-47:20 Am I good enough to be a parent?

47:21-56:18 The joy & heartbreak of being an adoptive parent

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