Crazy Love Podcast

Legalism, Burnout, and Breakthrough | Francis Chan & Ken Murphy

47 min·October 13, 2025
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About this Episode

Two classmates. Thirty years of ministry. And one question that wouldn’t go away: Am I truly loved by God?

Today, Francis Chan sits down with long-time friend, Pastor Ken Murphy to talk about the drift from joy into performance and the moment a revelation of God’s grace finally broke through. This is a conversation about moving from “working to be loved” to living from a love that never changes. It’s the heartbeat of Francis’ new book, Beloved, an invitation to trade insecurity for assurance and worshipful joy.

Beloved, is available for purchase now wherever books are sold.

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